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May 16, 2008

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Roxane

The difference between "thrillers" and "mysteries" does seem a bit specious, and I really can't fathom why the former is considered more "mainstream." I put it down to snobbery. From a marketing standpoint, it seems to be more respectable to be considered a "mainstream" writer than a "genre" writer, and a lot of writers (and their agents) seem keen to escape the "genre" label. And with the big chains, sometimes placement is a matter for negotiation.

Still, I'll take the deft characterizations and often-superior writing of the traditional mystery over the easy sensationalism of the thriller any day of the week. I think that mysteries retain the best elements of the classic novel--a balance of plot, character, setting, mood, and language. For this reason, I find mysteries more memorable than a lot of mainstream fiction--and I do re-read the best ones, even though I know "whodunnit." If your novel is purely character-driven, and your character is just an average Joe, your book will probably be eminently forgettable--and in that sense, many mainstream novels are "all alike." Many of those novels read as though the authors had all attended the same MFA program.

So, publishers can't tell the difference between Lord Peter Wimsey, Sanjo Ichiro, Matthew Shardlake, Gordianus the Finder, Stephanie Plum, and Sherlock Holmes? You wonder how they got into the book business.

JonJordan

Do these people look at best seller lists?
9 of the top 16 are by mystery writers.

neil nyren

Not all of us, Jim! Some pillars wear the badge proudly, too!

Debi Watson

Jim, IMHO this is just a marketing ploy or phase. Like 'new' and 'improved'. Shiny new repackaging but the same stories inside. Remember all the talk about Chick Lit and reshelving? Now a few years later, it's all being shelved in romance again. Unfortunate for the reader we'll spend more time searching for the books, but this too shall pass. Lucky for those of us who have a mystery bookstore to browse and the shelving is alphabetical.

Dina

As a marketing professional, this makes me cringe. As an avid book buyer and reader, it makes me want to scream.

The idea that labeling something as genre fiction (particularly mystery) will doom sales is very troubling to me. What really strikes me is that this is entirely contrary to the way that I (and many others) shop for books.

Take for example a typical fiction book. No particular classification, it's just sitting there somewhere in the Fiction section of the bookstore, along with Hemmingway and a ton of other great writers past and present. The chances that I will find this particular book are very slim, even if it meets my criteria as to the type of book that I would enjoy reading. There are simply too many titles with wildly differing styles and plotlines to weed through.

If, on the other hand, I'm browsing through the Mystery section (or even better, The Mystery Company) for books of the style I enjoy, the chances that I will find a particular book are greatly enhanced. If I know I enjoy mysteries, particularly mysteries of a specific time period or style, then I'm much more inclined to browse through a genre section in search of it, simply because my chances of finding what I like are increased.

In my experience, eliminating genres and subgenres has the effect of diminishing browsing. If I'm in the mood for a mystery, or horror, or supernatural romance, etc., I don't want to be looking for hours through a section that I know has at most 1% of the type of book I'm looking for. Eliminating the genre shelving makes readers have to research before they walk in the door, know exactly what book or author they are searching for, and go directly to that area in the fiction section, then leave. If people are like me, they do their research online, and the chances that they will *ever* walk in the door of a bookstore are diminished, when they can just click and buy right online. This is NOT the way to encourage people to shop at brick-and-mortar establishments.

If, on the other hand, a store has properly categorized their selection, I'm more likely to take a chance on other authors or series that I wouldn't otherwise have found. By grouping them together, they become easy to find and thus my chance of buying them increases.

Compounding this problem are the larger bookstore chains (and even used chains) that are eliminating their subgenre categories. Frankly, if I want to read Stephen King or Dean Koontz or Lindsey Davis I don't want to sort through the massive shelves of fiction to find them.

I've stopped shopping at those stores precisely because they are eliminating the ease of browsing within genres. Places like The Mystery Company are a joy to go into because I know I can find what I'm looking for.

And here's an interesting point for those publishers and marketers: Readers of genre fiction are much more likely to get hooked on an author, or series, or subgenre. In fact, genre fiction more than any other type of fiction breeds series that people CAN get hooked on.

Those people buy a book in the series, then another, then another, then branch out to discover similar series and authors in a particlar subgenre (like medieval mystery or paranormal thriller). You simply don't get that kind of dedication in general fiction.

Why in the world would you make it more difficult for genre addicts to find their fix? Why not make it easier for compulsive bookbuyers like me to find authors, both well-known and lesser known?

Marketing to the masses just won't work anymore. Booksellers need to make it easier for people to get hooked on a certain type of book, to cultivate their desire for more of the same. "Fiction" is just too broad of a category to effectively do this.

I'd love to see Jim write an article on this...

John McFetridge

To answer the person's question, yes actually, I do expect to find something different in the mystery section. And I do, all the time. Sometimes by different it can simply be a new interpretation on something. Louise Penny springs to mind.

But also there's a whole slew of new writers who end up in mystery (fine by me) even though they don't write series in the strictest sense - though they may have repeating characters, and even though there are no clues or 'mysteries' to follow but also aren't really thrillers. People like Al Guthrie, Victor Gischler and Duane Swierczynski and I guess the father of them all, Elmore Leonard.

I understand editors are always looking for the next big thing - it's kind of their job description - but sometimes the next big thing is just good, solid writing no matter how it's catalogued.

Kitty Smock

Gory thrillers, not mysteries, are getting old. There are too many TV shows depicting detailed police autopsies by dysfunctional characters. This has become tedious and carries over into print.

I long for a good brain puzzle that follows interesting and varied people I'd like spending time with.

Well conceived mysteries are timeless, whether they are suspense or not.

Miriam Guidero

I am a librarian, and I am seeing more and more of what I would term "mysteries" being catalogued as "fiction." (We have both categories in our library.) I'm not sure what this has to do with book-selling, but there does seem to be a parallel trend. If a book has the word "thriller" on the cover, it will, more often than not, go into "fiction" rather than "mystery." This drives our patrons crazy, because they are looking for mysteries, whether they bleed over into the thriller area or are very traditional in the line of Agatha Christie. This also means that we have books by the same author in both areas. I had one patron yesterday who was so frustrated, walking between the mystery and fiction shelves, that she told me she wished they were all shelved as plain fiction, which would work only if one were looking for a specific writer. Browsers, and I, would have a very hard time with this. I don't have a solution to any of this, but I can tell you that according to our library patrons, the mystery genre is very much alive and well, and they want more.

Jim Huang

I appreciate all the comments (here and offlist) that I've received.

I should add something important: while the anti-genre sentiment that I described was common in New York, it was not universal. We did hear from a few folk who believe in and support the mystery genre, such as Neil, and the mystery buyer at Barnes & Noble declared without hesitation that the genre is healthy. (The latter voice was especially reassuring.)

Ultimately, John is right that it's good, solid writing that matters. But categorization is important. As Dina writes, the categories help readers find books they're looking for. Confidence in the integrity of the category allows readers to take chances.

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